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The current podcast ecosystem is a challenging one to promote your podcast in, admittedly. First: as of mid 2022, there are currently north of 2,400,000 shows that have produced over 66 million episodes. Assuming an average length of about 1 hour, it would take you 7,534 years to get through all the current episodes. It's a crowded space, for sure.

The Impact of Covid-19 on Podcast Marketing

The challenges accelerated during 2020, but forward to mid 2022, and the data now suggests that after the initial outbreak there was a slight dip, then a plateau in the number of podcast listeners. Surprisingly as the pandemic went on, People adjusted listeners increased by 57% US alone according to Statista in the and has only continued to grow ever since. Podcasts became a popular choice of entertainment for people amidst their social isolation and is projected to maintain their listeners even after the pandemic.

  • All of this makes it even more important to promote and market your own podcast with solid footing.
  • We would argue that podcast websites and creating a great web-based listening experience has only increased in importance.

How do you promote and market your podcast in 2022 and beyond?

Below are some of the tactics we cover in this article. This is a long(ish) read, so if you want a shorter more concise guide to marketing a podcast, visit our new article “How to Promote A Podcast: 10 Podcast Marketing Strategies”. In any case, here is a table of content:

  1. Reaching Your Target Audience
  2. Basic Podcast Promotion Tactics
  3. Submitting Your Shows To Podcast Directories
  4. Podcast Guesting On Other Podcasts
  5. Using Paid Ad Strategies
  6. Leveraging Your Own Guests
  7. Make It Easy As Pie To Share Your Episodes
  8. Contests and Promotions To Gather Apple Podcast Reviews
  9. Leverage Email Subscribers With Social Media Share Gates
  10. Promote Your Podcast Organically With SEO
  11. Content Strategy & Patience
  12. Plan Interesting Topics
  13. Join a podcasting community or network
  14. Use your email list
  15. Make Your Your Podcast Homepage Design Less Egocentric
  16. Figure out your audience and engage it
  17. 5 Mistakes to AVOID when promoting your podcast
  18. Conclusion – And How Polymash Helps

Introduction

The increasing role of Chinese click farms have had an outsized impact on the top 200 ranking for Apple Podcasts. The charts are gameable, hackable, and a lot of people are doing just that. The Youtube video above was put together by LimeLink, and if you're a podcaster you owe it to yourself to check it out. Careful, you might get depressed, or worse, be tempted to try the same for your podcast. Don't! This post is here to help.

Compounding that: launch algorithms have changed, and reviews don't matter as much as they once did. The older (still common to many) model of giveaways and contests won't work as well as it did even 1-2 years ago.

As a result of the overall landscape, promoting your podcast has to come from newer sources. But what exactly are those sources?

This is why I put together this (pretty exhaustive) post, and hope that it will prove useful for beginning podcasters, but also that the veterans will find some podcast promotion tips and tactics they may not have considered yet.

Oh, and there is now also an entire Podcast and Youtube Channel about this. It's called "The Podcast Growth Show", and if you find some of this material useful or have podcast promotion tactics you can share with us, I'd love it if you joined our community.

Reaching Your Target Audience

Understanding the target audience for your podcast comes first, and then reaching them comes second. Doing analysis of your target audience is a pre-requisite that should come with launching a podcast in the first place, before any podcast promotion even begins.

  • Try to build a solid understanding of who your podcast listeners are, the topics they like and what else they listen to
  • You can research the most popular podcasts in your niche on Apple Podcasts
  • You can use PodNews.net, which has a good search feature that delivers useful information about each show. For example, here is a search for “real estate podcasts” on podnews.net.
  • You can roughly gauge the popularity of each podcast by the ratings and number of episodes you find, and look through the episode topics of the most popular shows for inspiration.
  • Your job is to create episode content that is the most relevant for your target audience

Basic Podcast Promotion Tactics

Your First Episode, And Your Trailer Episode

Pay attention to your first episodes, and consider having a “Trailer” episode you can promote that will help people understand what your podcast is all about.

  • If you have a website, this trailer episode can be featured in a “New Listener” section of the podcast home page. This way your new listeners have an easy way to get oriented.
  • Some people record a brief trailer episode, and then expand on the concept and origins of their show in the first episode. I like this approach, and would then recommend featuring both episodes in the “New Listener” section.
  • Consider re-recording your trailer once you’re 10+ episodes into your podcast, usually we can think of ways to improve it and make it more relevant as we get the first few episodes under our belts. And perhaps re-recording your first episodes is even more important for veteran podcasters with a lot of episodes.

Launch With At Least 3-5 Episodes

If you have created a trailer episode, and assuming Episode 1 is about your show, then I would recommend launching with 5 episodes.

  • This allows your target podcast audience to binge-listen once they discover your show

Create Time To Stay Ahead Of Your Publishing Cadence

In addition to the first 3-5 episodes, it is a good idea to have 3 more episodes completely done and scheduled. It takes the pressure off during your launch cycle.

You want to create the mental space and the time to focus on promoting and marketing your show.

You don’t want to get stressed about producing your next episodes or lining up your next guests.

Invest In Basic Marketing Materials Like Business Cards For Podcast PR

Create a business card specific for your podcast so you can hand it out in conversation. If you are hiring someone on Fiver, 99 Designs or UpWork to design a podcast business card for you, don’t stop there.

  • Have the designer also create Facebook page headers, Website Page Headers, Twitter Page Headers and other basic social media PR material for you to use online as well as in print.

Word Of Mouth

Word of mouth is not to be under-estimated, especially when first starting out. Sure, in the age of Covid-19, socially distant ads and social media presence seems somehow both sexier and more possible. But word of mouth doesn’t only mean “in person”. Calling some old friends to tell them about your project can give you a wonderful initial boost. Depending on your podcast topic, you can also engage family, coworkers, virtual meetup and Facebook groups in your niche.

Submitting Your Shows To Podcast Directories

The place to start? Promote your podcast by submitting to podcast directories…

This was also the topic for episode 1 of the podcast growth show, called Podcast Directories – The Best Ones To Boost Your Podcast.

OK, this is basic, but also necessary, so let's start here. Ensuring your podcast can be easily discovered by listeners on existing platforms is key. It may be a passive promotion method, but still, it is worth it, especially doing during your podcast launch phase.

This is also one of the easiest marketing approaches you can take. You're looking to make sure your podcast has the most reach possible. Being in as many podcast directories as possible is a great start towards that end.

Now, I've seen some good blog posts about this topic alone, but that's why I'm including web stats for each directory: For each directory below I'm including sign-up links as well as web traffic stats from Similarweb. I'm doing this to provide a relative measure of popularity for each platform. I'm adding this research as a form of encouragement.

You can decide for yourself if the traffic to these directories is worth your submission effort. My own approach: if the platform has more than 50K visits a month, it's worth submitting. Many have 100s of million visits a month. So, let's get to work, and if you're a veteran podcaster, use the list below to double check.

Apple Podcasts (AKA iTunes)

Listing your show on Apple Podcasts is pretty obvious, and I'm just listing it here for completeness. It is the most important directory. But perhaps not for the reason you think.

Most people focus on submitting to Apple Podcasts or iTunes in order to be in the "New and Noteworthy" section. But for me the most important reason to submit to Apple Podcasts is that most mobile apps (AKA podcatchers) use the Apple Podcasts directory to list all available podcasts inside their app. This means you need to submit to Apple Podcasts if you want your podcast to be found on a majority of podcatchers out there.

Spotify

Spotify is a relatively new player, but has been growing fast. Most podcast hosting services now provide integration with Spotify. In Libsyn, for example, you can define Spotify as a target publishing destination. Libsyn also provides detailed "how to" guides on setting this up in the first place.

  • Submissions to Spotify are handled inside your podcast hosting platform. This should be the preferred way to publish on Spotify, as I understand it "preferred partner hosts" like Libsyn integrate with Spotify so that you get analytics.
  • Spotify also just launched their Podcast Portal, which means you can submit your podcast manually if you are not with a preferred partner. However, your episodes will be cached on Spotify, and this means your analytics won't reflect listener credits in your hosting platform. This is why you should submit via your Spotify preferred podcast hosting platform if possible.
  • Web Stats: 387.77M visits a month

Stitcher

Formerly the #2 podcast promotion and listening destination. Lately I feel the platform has become somewhat ad saturated, and there a lot of other listening apps and platforms have emerged. Stitcher requires it's own submission process.

Google Podcasts

Google Podcasts is a relative newcomer, compared to Google Play, where podcasts were submitted before mid-2021. Google Play is now consider irrelevant for podcasters. When doing Google searches, ironically Google Play still comes up in the recommendations and instructions. I would ignore this, since Google Play is about to be officially retired.

TuneIn

TuneIn has been around a long time, with available apps for almost all operating systems and mobile devices.

  • Their process is straight forward using their submission form.
  • Web Stats: 9.25M visits a month

Podhound

This is an AI based podcast discovery engine. You should list your podcast there. The PodHound AI searches thousands of podcasts to find ones people enjoy. The system is relatively new, and as of mid 2020 is still in beta and is constantly learning.

  • To add your podcast to podhound simply register to their site.

iHeart Radio

iHeart Radio is another podcast directory that gets your podcast information from your hosting platform. In Libsyn, for example, you can define iHeart Radio as a target publishing destination. Libsyn also provides detailed "how to" guides on setting this up in the first place.

  • Submissions to iHeart Radio are sometimes handled inside your podcast hosting platform. For example on Libsyn.
  • Here is a direct link to submit your show
  • Web Stats: 24.34M visits a month

Bullhorn

Sharing your podcast on Bullhorn gives you access to millions of under served and rural listeners in the US who do not have access to or cannot afford expensive data plans.

  • Here you can submit your show to their directory
  • Web Stats : 51.39K visits a month

Blubrry

Blubrry is best know as a podcast hosting platform. So if you publish your show on Libsyn or one of the other podcast hosting services, Blubrry may not be something you've considered. However, Blubrry has a very popular podcast directory not limited to only Blubrry hosted podcasts. So as part of promoting your podcast, you should consider adding your show to this directory.

Podbean

Mainly a podcast hosting company, but also has an extensive podcast directory

Podchaser

If you ever need to find out who has turned up where in the podcasting scene then podchaser will surely help you on this. Podchaser is a podcast directory discovery platform that allows you to research podcasts to be a guest on, with options for contact information.

  • Add your podcast by making an account and filling up the details here
  • Web Stats: 988.72K visits a month

Spreaker

Update December 2o19: No longer available, unless via email request to rob [dot] greenlee [at] spreaker [dot] com

Like Blubrry, Spreaker is both a hosting platform as well as a podcast directory. You used to be able to submit your show even if it is not hosted there. You sign up for an account, and then supply your RSS feed there. If you are not hosted on Spreaker, see above.

Player.fm

Player FM is the multi-platform podcast app that helps you find shows on the topics you care about and play them at your convenience, even when you're offline.

Vurbl

Vurbl is an audio streaming platform that also acts as a directory for your podcast.

  • To claim your podcast follow these steps here
  • Web Stats: 230.89K visits a month

Acast.com

Update December 2019: With recent podcasts launches, I have noticed that the current ACAST submission page is no longer available. I am hoping it will come back, because this was a terrific directory, but it could be that they are requiring your podcast to be hosted there now.

(Formely) a podcast hosting service with it's own app and directory. You can submit your show to be featured on their site and inside their app.

Digital Podcast

Digital podcast is a directory that will help you promote your podcast by listing it there. Their submission process is really simple, all you need to do is to create an account and then paste your podcast RSS feed URL.

  • Digital Podcast directory signup page
  • Web Stats: unavailable, may indicate the platform is no longer active

Radiopublic

Handpicked podcast playlists from people who love podcasts.

  • Click here for the submission process
  • Web Stats: 302.72K visits a month

ListenNotes.com

Podcast search engine that claims to have audio transcripts of 542,280 podcasts. Their web stats seem to indicate a good level of activity, so I am listing it here.

Good Pods

Good Pods is a little different in that it is a podcast curation platform. This means you need to apply and provide a brief justification why they should promote your podcast and why it should be included in their directory.

  • Download their app and create a podcasters profile to get into their directory
  • Web Stats: Not available, may indicate the platform is no longer active

More detailed instructions?

If you would like to promote your podcast by submitting to each one of the above directories, each of the links provided are pretty intuitive. But are looking for more detailed instructions, a good start would be here.

Podcast Guesting On Other Podcasts

Guesting is a great way to promote your podcast
Guesting on other shows is a great way to promote your own podcast

Steve Olsher 's Profiting from Podcasts is a program for non-podcasters and podcasters alike to appear on other people's shows. As part of his site he gives away "lead magnet". This is a currently free directory and contact information for 670 podcasters whose show you could appear on. So that is one useful resource for this.

We also dedicated an entire episode for a deep dive into this topic, especially if you are the DIY type and want to avoid spending money on expensive programs.

In our tutorial video we show step by step how to automate a highly personalized "podcast guesting" outreach campaign.

So read on for some summary tips on this topic, but if you are interested in our deep dive and ready to explore details on how to execute podcast guesting outreach campaigns, please check out episode 2 of the Podcast Growth Show called Podcast Guesting – A Cure For Stalled Subscriber Growth [S1E02]

Here is the short version:

Work the bigger players in your space

Listen to full episodes of some of the bigger players in the space you're podcasting in. Make notes. Find their contact info and email with feedback. Be open and honest, saying something like

"I'm very interested in podcasting in this space. I particularly loved how, in Episode XXX, you talked to Guest XXX about Topic XXX and got him to admit Fact XXX. I'd love to know more about your process for guest selection, guest prep, and more. Would you have maybe 20-30 minutes for that? I'd be willing to help you out with elements of your show in return for your time."

A message like that articulates what's in it for the bigger-name show. Now you might get to work on their show, learn from them, or maybe eventually be a guest or get intros to their previous guests. You're on your way.

Steve was very gracious in making this list available, so please do not abuse it.

What do I mean by that? Do not send cold mass emails to all 670 big name podcasters! besides not getting on any of these shows, your name will be dirt in the podcasting community.

Instead, do this: Ask yourself if you're 100% ready. If you can answer "yes" to 4 out of these 5 questions, then you're good:

  1. Have you already been a guest on at least 20 other shows?
  2. Have you already added value to the person you're reaching out to in a meaningful way?
  3. Do you have your own show, or a substantial online presence, and have you already connected with, or had a podcaster on my show?
  4. Have you made your presence felt in their community?
  5. Do you know this person, their interests, likes, dislikes and have a solid affinity for them?

Work the smaller players in your space

Steve's Olsher's "profiting from podcasts" list features some pretty big podcasters with established audiences, and that's great. However, if you are in a smaller niche, you may have an even better success rate by doing some of the initial leg work yourself.

Reaching out to other relevant podcasters in your niche is easy, and Apple Podcasts is the perfect tool to look up interesting shows in your category. Each show lists a website, and you can quickly get a sense how professionally each podcast is set up. Almost all podcast websites have a contact form or other way to get in touch, and again you can send a templated email requesting to be on their show.

You will want to listen to the show you want to appear on, and comment on something that you heard and liked about it. This gives you a much better chance of being accepted than sending what may look like a templated mass email.

The more personal you make your inquiry, the better the results.

To promote your podcast, guesting can be a crucial part of the ecosystem. When you appear, you inherently get to promote your podcast and other work (provided you're interesting, which we'll take as a given right now).

If some listeners like what you have to say, they will jump over to your own podcast and subscribe.

Using Paid Ad Strategies To Reach Your Podcast Audience

Marketing your podcast using paid ads
Marketing your podcast with paid ads can be very effective – especially on other podcasts

Using paid ads for promoting a podcast is not for everyone. But appropriate if you have a budget, for example for business podcasts where lead generation and email list building are part of the overall objective.

And don't just think "ads don't work" – not all platforms are alike. When it comes to promoting your podcast using paid ads, there are a few options.

Paid ad strategies is the topic of our Podcast Growth Show video episode called Paid Podcast Advertising – A Look Behind The Scenes [S1E03].

It explores 3 platforms in greater detail, and also offers our simple 5 step process to better target podcast listeners with Facebook Ads:

Promote your podcast with Facebook ads
To promote your podcast with Facebook ads, you will want this 5 step quick guide

But read on for the Cliff Notes summary of our deep dive, here's my take on 3 platforms.

Google Adwords

Generally speaking AdWords is expensive. So the question you'll want to ask yourself is this: Can I afford driving traffic to my podcast at $5-$20 per click?

My own view is that you need measurable results for this, and for most businesses this means sending traffic to a good landing page that features a gift or give-away and collects an email address. Sending ad traffic to Apple Podcasts and hoping that people subscribe is difficult to measure, and not worth it in my opinion. On AdWords you cannot even target podcast listeners easily. So we don't use it except for corporate podcasts (as we are producing several)

Facebook

Facebook is one of the most affordable paid choices for promoting a podcast. It may seem easy to simply "boost" an episode specific post on your podcast site, and then hope people listen and subscribe.

But I would not recommend this approach when first starting out. Instead, I would recommend sending traffic to a dedicated podcast landing page that features an incentive for signing up. Boosting a post is a quick solution but rarely converts as well as a carefully crafted visual and ad specifically outlining the listener benefit and value proposition of your overall podcast.

Consider combining these ads with "Share Gates" covered later in this post.

If you have not done so before, getting started properly with Facebook ads can be intimidating, so consider taking a Facebook ads course or hiring someone experienced to help you get started.

In Podcast Advertising Networks

With both AdWords and Facebook you will mostly be advertising to non-podcast listeners. It is difficult to target podcast listeners only on Facebook, and next to impossible on Google.

But this is why in-podcast advertising networks are so effective. By default, your entire audience consists of podcast listeners.

One great way to get new listeners is to advertise on other existing podcasts in your niche. Most podcasters only think of podcast advertising networks as something to help them monetize their own show. But placing an ad inside one of the most popular podcasts in your niche can be super effective. According to Midroll, 61% of podcast listeners have purchased from such podcast ads.

The real benefit of this approach is the fact that you are advertising on your medium. if people are listening to your ads, that means they are podcast subscribers already. It is much easier to convince them to check out your show, than to show your Facebook or AdWords content to people who may not even listen to podcasts at all.

So how much does this cost? Here is some information from Midroll, by far the best known podcast advertising network.

All Midroll podcast ads are priced on a cost-per-thousand downloads model, or CPM. For instance, with a $25 CPM, a spot on a show with 10,000 downloads per episode costs $250; with 100,000 downloads, it’s $2500.

So let's do the math. If your ad is highly relevant to the audience of the podcast you place your ad into, and assuming 3% of listeners take action and subscribe to your show, your cost per new listener would be $0.83. If only 1% of listeners take action, then it would be $2.50 per subscriber. Either way, these numbers compare very favorably to advertising on Facebook or AdWords.

How To Promote Your Podcast By Leveraging Your Own Guests

Your own guests need to play a role in growing your podcast
Make sure your guests help you by sharing episodes they appear on

If you have an interview show, you might expect that your guest will help you promote your podcast. But make sure this is not an unspoken assumption on your part. After having launched over a dozen shows, I've found that getting your podcasts guest to share episode links with their own social networks can be like pulling teeth.

And the more connected and "famous" your guest is, the less likely they are to do this without being prompted.

Go Through Lengths To Present Your Guest In A Good Light

For example, we have an on-boarding sequence when we book guests on our shows. During this phase, we ask them to fill out a simple form, and to provide social media links, books they are promoting, short bios, profile pictures etc. This is so that we can create a great looking guest section with pictures and links to their work. In other words, you want to create great looking show notes that your guests would be proud to share and help with promoting your podcast.

Make your expectations clear from the beginning

But in our guest on-boarding sequence we already make it clear that we expect podcast guests to share the episode on their social networks, in a nice way. And we tell each guest that when the show goes live, they will receive ready made sharable links and notifications.

Create macros and scripts for sharing links

What you need to be doing here is leveraging the power and networks of your guests to promote episodes, but also promote your own episodes. Again, this needs to be done sparingly to an extent; you don't want to be seen as a self-promoter. That usually gets you silenced algorithmically on Twitter and other sites. But if you have scripts for yourself and your guests, it's an easier process.

Some Example Scripts

Use something similar for Facebook/LinkedIn and/or Google+

“I was just on the [NAME OF PODCAST] with [YOUR NAME] and talked about [WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT]. If you’re [REASON WHY SOMEONE MIGHT BE INTERESTED], listen here: [PASTE THE LINK FROM STEP #1)

Use something similar for Twitter and include a service like ClickToTweet:

“I was just interviewed by [YOUR TWITTER HANDLE] and talked about [WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT]. Listen here: [INSERT SHORTENED LINK FROM STEP #1]”

Automate This Process Using Text Expander Or Email Macros

Scripts are designed to make your process easier. You can even make them a Macros in your email so that deployment is just a matter of filling in the brackets.

A great tool for this on Mac is an application called Text Expander. This will allow you to enter templates like the above and recall them at the touch of a button or shortcut key. And a popup will prompt you to simply fill in the blanks with the needed information.

Beyond Guests, Make It Easy As Pie To Share Your Episodes

Ensure your podcast episodes are easily shared
Ensure your podcast episodes are easily shared

This means having social share buttons on your episode landing pages that are bright, high, and prevalent. You don't want people having to dig around to share with their networks. Make it easy. We over-complicate so much in marketing (and, well, life). Why over-complicate this?

There are dozens of helper platforms out there that place attractive social share buttons next to your episodes.

Look for the type of share buttons that float on the side of your podcast. This way your social share icons are always "above the fold" and visible in the browser window.

Contests and Promotions To Gather Apple Podcasts Reviews

Podcast launch promotion contest
Promote your podcast and get reviews with a contest

This used to be a very popular launch tactic. The idea was to launch a contest, and ask people to enter the contest by leaving an Apple Podcasts review, and then emailing the iTunes ID to enter the contest as proof.

iTunes and Apple Podcasts Have Changed

Since then, the algorithm to rise to the top of Apple Podcasts has changed. It is no longer driven by the number of reviews. Instead, at the time of this writing, the number of new subscribers have the most impact, followed by the number of episode downloads. Therefore the number of reviews no longer contribute to being at the top of the "New and Noteworthy" section.

Therefore the "Launch Contest" is less common now. Besides no longer being as effective, setting up a launch contest usually takes a good deal of time to set up. You need landing pages, marketing automation capability and time. But if you have the passion, time and effort to spare, a launch contest will still give your podcast launch a great boost, for some of the below reasons:

But Reviews Are Still Important

Reviews are still important and should not be ignored. They lend credibility and social proof to a podcast. Seeing that dozens of people are leaving great reviews for a podcast you might enjoy might tip the scale for you to take action and subscribe. On the other hand, seeing a podcast on Apple Podcasts with no reviews at all also tells you something.

Adding The Right Incentives

The tactic of offering some kind of incentive, give-away, or lead magnet for leaving a review still works well for getting reviews.

The selected give-aways don't have to be expensive. It is more important that they be relevant, related to the podcast topic or context. So for example, for a customer experience podcast you might have a contest to win free tickets to the biggest yearly Customer Experience conference. That beats offering an iPad as a prize, simply because your subscriber and contest participants are much more likely to actually care about your podcast and topic, instead of just trying to win an iPad.

Promoting your podcast with social contests is also the topic of our video episode 6 of the Podcast Growth Show: Podcast Marketing With Social Contests [S1E06]. We examine and recommend both free and paid platforms to do social contests right.

Leverage Email Subscribers With Social Media Share Gates

market your podcast launch with GoViral
The idea is to try and promote your podcast launch to go viral.

The contest launch tactic described above has a sister. You can run this campaign as a variant of the more traditional launch contest. The difference? Much easier and less time consuming to set up.

Introducing the GoViral Tool

Bryan Harris over at GrowthTools has a great free tool called GoViral. GoViral gets you more quality traffic and shares by offering a free gift to your new subscribers in exchange for sharing your site with their friends.

GoViral automatically gets people to share your content – it’s instant word of mouth.

A Dead Simple Setup

The cool thing about GoViral is that it creates the social share landing and download pages for you behind the scenes, and this makes it dead simple to set up. So the sequence is as follows:

  1. Susan signs up for your email list
    This could be on your homepage, for a webinar or in a blog post.
  2. GoViral offers her a gift for sharing your site
    This could be anything from a free PDF, to a discount, to a free course.
  3. GoViral gives her the gift and you get free traffic
    Works with Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and 16 other services.

GoViral is integrated with most social media platforms, and checks behind the scenes that someone actually shared your podcast link before making the gift available.

We have used this system extensively to increase our webinar registrations by ~35%.

Want to see GoViral in action? Great!

Here is a live example of this: You can download a PDF version of this entire Podcast Marketing Guide by sharing it on Facebook. For one thing, if you are enjoying this post, I'd appreciate it! Plus it makes a handy reference.

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How To Promote Your Podcast Organically With SEO

Promoting a podcast with SEO is a long term strategy
Promoting a podcast with SEO is a long term strategy

We actually have an entire dedicated SEO course on how to promote your podcast, but realize most podcasters are probably looking for quicker solutions when first launching their show. The rest of this article has been covering all sorts of other promotional approaches, but overlooking organic search is short sighted and a strategic mistake.

Getting Long Term Traffic

In the rush to launch a promote a podcast, this is often overlooked, or placed on a back-burner, and before you know it you're 25 episodes in without taking advantage of the long term benefits of SEO. Optimized episode landing pages tied to long-tail, low-competition keywords will drive valuable traffic to your site.

Consider How People Actually Find Podcasts

Have a look at the below chart from Edison Research. It makes my point: The most popular discovery for podcast is not Apple Podcasts, not Google Play or Spotify, but Internet search.

How do people find podcasts?
Edison Research 2019

The lesson?

Google Search Is What Really Matters

We are big fans of using SEO tools to research podcast topics, and utilizing your podcast’s website (and more importantly, episode specific articles AKA show notes) to attract traffic and interest. In fact we presented this form or promotion at the PodFest conference in early 2020, and here is a free mini-course on podcast promotion using SEO research, which outlines why and how this works.

Transcription Services Are Your Friend

Transcripts are your SEO friend, and increasingly affordable. The reason you want to use transcripts in your show notes is that Google will index this content, and attribute more rank to your episode because of the length of the episode show notes post. Machine based translation is getting more accurate, and costs around .10 a minute. 100% accuracy comes at a slightly higher cost, about $1.00 per minute. Still, considering the time it would take you to write bespoke show notes, this is an easy time saver investment. It's a nice 1-2 punch of automated services and human narrative context.

When you do this, pay attention to readability. Transcripts are almost always hard to read, and often look line dense, run-on text. And people on the internet like to "skim" content. Plus, from an SEO perspective, Google's new search algorithms values content quality, and this means readability in addition to length.

Our "best SEO practice" is to break said transcribed shows notes into readable chunks with H2/H3 headers for the main themes of the episode.

Ideally the H2 and H3 headers tell the story of the episode for someone just glancing and skimming.

Content Strategy & Patience In Promoting Your Podcast

Invest the time to promote your podcast
Content marketing takes time

This is a broader content problem in marketing. Anything with content takes time to develop, but if it's tied to a business that needs to show short-term results, leaders often lack that time.

Embrace The Time It Takes

If this is a solo effort, you need to make the time and you need to embrace it.

Being passionate about your podcast is almost a pre-requisite.

For example: we know two gym owners who launched a supplement business and, at the same time, a podcast. It took about 75 episodes consistently week-to-week before their traffic started to go way up, and that was largely because one episode in the 60s-range was about the Keto Diet, drew a lot of attention, and helped them out getting noticed for other episodes. But 75 episodes weekly is about a year and a half. It will take time.

That Said: Plan For Great Content and Interesting Topics

podcast marketing takes time
Interesting topics can come from researching your audience

Look at BuzzSumo and similar sites to see what has interested people in your niche before. Ask people on LinkedIn. Ask people on Twitter. Ask your email list. (More on that in a second, as the email list is somewhat the holy grail of this process.) Have conversations with people.

Let's go back to that small business example again. Supposed you pose a question like "What episode topics would you like to hear?" on LinkedIn and several say they want to know how to improve hiring on a budget. Well, find a good guest for that (again it's about research), produce the episode, and when it's produced, GO BACK TO THAT THREAD and share it with those who asked for it.

They'll find value and are much more likely to share it around more. Interesting, consistent, relevant-to-core-target content is going to help any podcast launch well. It takes time, but you'll get noticed faster on that approach.

Join a podcasting community or network

Podcasting networks actively help cross promote, but can be difficult to get into
Podcasting networks actively help cross promote, but can be difficult to get into

What are "Podcast Networks"?

A podcast network is a collection of podcasts that are produced, distributed or made available to advertisers through a single company, or network.

Some bigger podcast networks include Panoply, Maximum Fun, PodcastOne and Gimlet Media.

The advantage of being a member is that these networks frequently have agreements to cross-promote other podcasts on the network. Therefore the ability to attract advertisers is better for the entire group as well. Be prepared that you will be asked to promote the other participants as well, often you don't have much of a choice about who gets promoted. So joining one of the big players is a no brainer.

However, in order to join a network, the burden is on you to show that you can bring existing audience equity to the table (this audience could be from a different medium) or your product is so good, that given the megaphone, you will quickly build equity for the network (this could be in the form of a unique vantage point, expertise, or refined production skills).

Be careful about smaller podcast networks

Think twice about joining a smaller podcast network just to save time and effort, or because they promise you to build a site. And especially if they ask you to give up your feed and offer to host your show from their own feed. You will want it in writing that your podcast feed will be given back to you once you leave the network.

The ideal situation is to join a network that allows you to keep your own personal website and hosting arrangement.

Use your email list

email list building is underated for engaging with your podcast audience
Email is underrated

This is where we recommend you focus some energy and effort.

People opt-in to your lists because they care about some element of what you've put forth. So, now you've got a podcast (or you built the list with the podcast). Well, if they opted in, they are somewhat interested. Keep them interested. That starts with good subject lines. Use the same techniques already covered in episode title development.

Your Guests Make You More Interesting

Think of the most interesting, different-sounding point that your guest made. Figure out how to spin that into an emotional subject line. You can use Headline Analyzer Tools (CoSchedule and others have this) to see how powerful a headline is, and then use said headline as the subject line for the email about a specific episode.

Every so often, engage with your people about guests they want to see, topics they want covered, how they feel about the show in general, and more. Be human. Respond to these emails directly. Marketing automation is the bee's knees but people want to think they're having a convo with the actual creator. You might drum up some business for yourself as well in this process.

Many do email marketing wrong because they just blast out the latest thing they have with a generic subject line and limited context. That gets you low open rates and high unsubscribe rates. At that point, why even have an email list? Be interesting and different. It takes work and sitting down and thinking about the most intriguing thing said on an episode, even if it was just one tiny nugget, but it's worth a ton if you do this with every email send.

Make Your Your Podcast Homepage Design Less Egocentric

Make it more about your audience than your podcast

Most podcasters already realize that their great podcast needs a great website. If you’re unsure of all the reasons why this is important, be sure to read Spreaker’s recent post on the topic.

But as you create your podcast website, how do you design it to best engage your audience?

Make it more about them, and less about you and your show. And while you do that, you will increase conversion and list-building opportunities.

The Definitive Guide To Design Podcast Sites For Conversion & Engagement

How can you do that? Glad you asked. We have a full long-form article on how to design podcast sites for list-building optimization, where we discuss The Upside Down Podcast Homepage — and we also debate the relative merits of 1,000 Apple Podcasts subscribers vs. 100 dedicated email list subscribers. (Hint: the latter is more important.)

By the way, there is a free design pattern for the optimal podcast home page to download.

Figure out your audience and engage it

Finding your ideal podcast audience
Finding your ideal podcast audience is the start

Even though we did not list this at the beginning, this is where almost everything marketing-and-sales-related needs to start, and it's no different with podcasts. It's just that it's time consuming. And anything time consuming often gets overlooked. But OK, let's assume you've got some time.

Let's say you want to target small business owners; that's actually a relatively common target for podcast producers in the business genre. You need to start by thinking this out loud to yourself:

Where do small business owners hang out?

Well, scaling a business is hard. Very few do it successfully. In all likelihood, then, a small business owner would be hanging out on his/her:

  • LinkedIn overall
  • Specific LinkedIn groups
  • Reddit
  • Quora
  • HBR and similar sites comments
  • Facebook groups about SMB/entrepreneurship
  • Reddit
  • Quora
  • Their own email looking for emails that seem helpful (this goes to a point later on)

Make a list of where your audience is or would be. Find groups connected to said audience. Join those groups.

Your Contributions Are Key

And now, this is the part many people miss. It's not about joining those groups and just blasting every episode. That won't work — and on Reddit, it might even get you shadow-banned.

What will work is this: join those groups and contribute to discussions. It's time-consuming, yes. But it's important. Add value to discussions and respond to the comments of others.

After you do this about 20 times, you can start sharing episode links — but this is a big one — ONLY share the links if they are relevant to a specific discussion.

In short, you want to make your sharing conversational and not forced. If it's part of an ongoing dialogue about, say, doing taxes as a small business and you have an episode about that, it's totally relevant and within the knowledge flow people need, they will click on it and listen. But if you just blast that episode devoid of context, it's a much steeper hill to climb.

5 Mistakes to AVOID when promoting your podcast

Podcast marketing mistakes to avoid in podcast promotion

Apple actually recently launched their own podcast marketing best practices, and since Apple is where about 500 billion hours of podcasts have been streamed, it seems like a great place to get some tips on what to do — and maybe more importantly, what not to do.

A few things Apple says to avoid include:

Mistake #1: Long Flowery Intros

  • Skip the vague, flowery intro and let the people know what they can expect to hear.

Mistake # 2: Non Relevant Show Notes Content

  • After you tell listeners what to expect, make sure they know how to find what you’re talking about. Whether it’s a specific episode or your show in general, give them a link to go to.

Mistake #3: Poor Images and Screenshots

  • Pick screenshots wisely. If you want to display a screenshot of your show as it appears on Apple Podcasts, capture it from the Podcasts app using a mobile device, like iPhone or iPad. (If you don't know how to take a screenshot from an Apple device, read this.)

OK, and here are some mistakes we often see

Mistake #4: Lack of Content Strategy

  • It is much more difficult to promote your podcast episodes without planning ahead. This means scheduling and producing episodes a couple of weeks in advance. This will allow you to dedicate more relative time towards ideas for promoting the show, thinking of good episode titles, and writing show notes.

Try not be in a rush

  • Plan and research your episodes ahead of time. If your show allows it, plan for content themes. This can enable you to implement a powerful SEO ranking technique called "cornerstone content", where several related episodes share links to one primary episode about the theme. We have consistently used this to SEO boost blog posts and episodes onto page one of Google search results.
  • Research a bunch of potential keywords for an entire season. Then you can craft your episode titles and show notes to be optimized around high value keywords. These are long tail keywords with low difficulty scores, but that still attract search volume. Use a utility like KWFinder to do the research.
  • Make sure your show notes are of sufficient length. If your show notes are less than 300 words, the likelihood that your content will appear in Google search result is close to zero. You will want to have show notes that are at least 700 words or longer to give your content a chance visibility.

Mistake #5: Weak Episode Titles

  • Don't create boring episode titles. Avoid titles that start with "This week our host XXXX talks to our guest YYYY about ZZZZ". Don't start episode titles with "Episode nnn:" Within Apple Podcasts and all podcatchers, space for your episode title is at a premium. So don't waste it with obvious, redundant or irrelevant. Podcast listeners increasingly consume podcasts on a per episode basis, by searching. So your episode titles have a fraction of a second to attract a listener.

Make sure your episode titles pop.

  • Write down 7-20 versions of your planned episode titles – do this every time, and I can almost guarantee that the quality and click-worthiness of your episode titles will improve. We use a tool called CoSchedule Headline Analyzer to craft our episode titles. 
    • For examples of this, search for "podcast content strategy" – polymash shows up on page one, or google "customer experience podcast" – our client Customer Bliss shows up on page one, or "appreciative inquiry" – our client Positivity Strategist is on page one, or "podcast SEO course".
  • Learn a bit about SEO – think of it as an investment that will pay dividends for years to come. I offer an SEO for podcasters course, take advantage of this, or learn the basics of SEO elsewhere. The importance of titles, as well as how to create more interesting ones, is covered there in detail.
  • DIY or Done For You? If the concept of doing SEO yourself makes your eyes glaze over, invest in some help to make your show grow.

Conclusion – And How We Help

How do we help? Why are we writing this article, even?

Years ago, we were helping a client with her overall content strategy. If you've worked in digital at all, you know that people from previous business model generations often don't initially "get" how to market with content, and this client — while great overall — was no different.

Ultimately, we convinced her to try podcasting as a content strategy, and the results have been amazing. It has bolstered her brand within her expertise area, and allowed her to build a community through her podcasting.

Perhaps more importantly, she just loves being a well known podcaster now, and meeting all the people she gets to impact with her show. (Think about the impact of the first season of Serial and you'll probably understand what we mean.)

And this has been true for everyone we have helped launch a podcast as a content strategy. We design a very-targeted, very-contextual, and very-successful approach to launching podcasts. We also help with podcast promotion and subscriber (email!) growth, too.

And our clients eventually prefer podcasting to blogging, since the content ideas and content strategy emerges much more effortlessly. Plus, they are more likely to advance to video and multi-channel content models.

All marketing is two things:

  1. Storytelling
  2. Effectively building a community

All great podcasting is those two things as well. It's a different landscape than it was even in 2018/19, but you can do this.

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NOTE: What follows is a guest post from Amir Shahzeidi on YouTube For Podcast Promotion – and while we at Polymash may not agree with all the points in this article, we agree with the power of YouTube for creating short native video content for your podcast growth. Here is Amir’s article with a lot of insights and tips on how to make this work:

Your podcast is out there. You’ve consistently put in the hours to create amazing episodes to attract more listeners. But something’s amiss… You can’t seem to get any traction. You’re not generating the growth you need. Here’s the thing, building a business and brand today is less about selling and more about showing how you can add value to your audience’s lives.

And that’s probably one of the main reasons why you started your podcast.

Adding value, however, involves more than just creating great content. You need to promote it feverishly to capture the attention and hold the attention of your target audience.

The former, unfortunately, isn’t always the easiest for brands to accomplish. Most brands still believe in building content and hoping their ideal customers will stumble upon it.

That does not make for sound marketing practice or strategy.

Marketing needs to be consistent.

Take the rule of seven, it dictates that customers need to see or hear of you brand seven times before they become a customer. What’s more, with the increase in web content and social media posts produces each day, I’d argue that customers may need more than seven interactions.

So, how do you promote your podcast effectively?

Have you considered YouTube?

Consider using youtube for podcast promotion
Consider using YouTube for podcast promotion – Photographer: Sara Kurfeß | Source: Unsplash

It may seem almost counter-intuitive as an idea, but there’s a lot of logic behind using it as a marketing channel to grow your podcast.

For example, YouTube is still the 2nd largest search engine in the world. It receives 1 billion users each month (that’s almost a 3rd of the internet).

It’s also great for reach. More than 70% of YouTube users watch content on mobile devices, making it the perfect platform to engage more people. In fact, today YouTube is available in 80 languages, making it accessible to 95% of the Internet population.

As you can see, you can leverage YouTube. In fact, you could grow your podcast with the help of a YouTube marketing funnel filled with content that attracts and helps convert viewers into subscribers and paying customers.

But can you really promote your podcast on YouTube?

Yes, and I’ll show you four ways to do so.

What do the results look like? Here’s a snapshot of the first five results for the search term podcast on YouTube:

YouTube For Podcast Promotion Examples

Take a look at the number of views that each podcast has received.

Pretty convincing, right?

Here are four ways to promote your podcast on YouTube:

1. Upload Your Podcast Audio

This is an easy action to take. Simply upload your podcasts to your YouTube channel. Contrary to popular belief, you don’t need to shoot video content to get views.

In the example below, CrypoWZRD shows that it’s possible to build an audience with a simple still image and podcast audio.

2. Create Shorter Videos

Another great way to promote your podcast is by creating a trailer or shorter videos from your material. This gives viewers a taste of what to expect, and if promoted using paid media, you should be able to generate a fair amount of reach, too.

Carrier created a trailer for their podcast that’s both captivating and has generated over 2,300 views.

3. Go Live

Live streaming isn’t limited to social media or special events. It’s also used for podcasts. RachelVlogs hosts a podcast called “All Things Internet.” She shows that it’s possible to live stream your podcast on YouTube, without a sophisticated studio or equipment.

4. Create Video Podcasts

Most podcasts are released as pre-recorded videos, and you should give this option a go. Video podcasts are intimate due to the ability to see the host and guest.

Because they are also pre-recorded, you’re able to edit your footage and include different camera shots and special effects to create a more engaging viewer experience.

Now that you have four ways to market your podcast, let’s take a look at how to make your content stand out on YouTube.

Four Tips on Generating Better Rankings When Using Youtube For Podcast Promotion

Here are four more tips to help you generate better rankings, more views, and subscribers.

Tip #1: Use YouTube SEO

Like Google, YouTube videos and content can also be optimized for search. In fact, when using YouTube for podcast promotion some of the same principles apply and can help you rank your podcast videos higher in search results and get more views on YouTube.

For example, you should be using keywords in video titles. Beyond the obvious benefit of viewer spotting search terms, YouTube will be able to return your podcast as a result.

Be sure to include your keywords in descriptions as well. YouTube sees descriptions as valuable, because, just like Google, YouTube wants to provide users with the best possible results for their searches.

Should you use tags?

The jury is still out on this feature. It appears to be available for a reason, so use them, but only add relevant tags to describe your video.

Brian Dean on video SEO when using YouTube For Podcast Promotion
Brian Dean on video SEO when using YouTube For Podcast Promotion

Tip #2: Design a Captivating Thumbnails

Want to make your content stand out? Here are four tips on designing a thumbnail that will grab attention:

Use Color

The human eye is drawn to color. While it can see 7,000,000 colors, creating a combination that’s attractive is really what will stop viewers from scrolling through their feeds.

When you use color, focus on contrasting complementary colors (colors further away from each other on the color wheel). Doing so will create the right amount of contrast between colors you use and help your content stand out.

Use of color when creating YouTube Thumbnails for podcast promotions
Use of color when creating YouTube Thumbnails for podcast promotions

Add Your Face

People are attracted to faces that show a certain emotion or appear to be communicating a message.

If you’re only uploading audio of your podcast, don’t add a clip of your face. This could be perceived as clickbait and might hurt your brand.

Using Faces when creating YoutTube Video Thumbnails for Podcasts
Using Faces when creating YoutTube Video Thumbnails for Podcasts

Brand Your Content

Building a brand is all about becoming recognizable for what you do. Don’t miss the opportunity to brand your thumbnail with your logo.

Branded content example when using YouTube for podcast growth
Branded content example when using YouTube for podcast growth

Create Interesting Titles

Get creative with your thumbnails by using different copy, but keep it related to your video title. This hack makes your content appear more interesting than using repetitive messaging.

Interesting titles are key when using Youtube for podcast marketing
Interesting titles are key when using Youtube for podcast marketing

Tip #3: Focus on Watch-Time

Watch-time is one of the most important ranking factors YouTube applies. Briggsby conducted a study that showed a correlation between watch-time and rankings. They found that the more watch-time a video receives, the higher it ranks in search. So how do you use this insight when using YouTube for podcast promotion?

Maximizing Watch Time for Youtube Analytics
Image: Briggsby

One of the most effective ways of increasing watch-time is by introducing pattern interrupts. These are ideas that are abruptly introduced to completely change the focus of your listeners.

And they’re effective! Buzzsumo used pattern interrupts to grow its channel by 59% in just 30 days.

Why do pattern interrupts work?

They force listeners to pay attention for longer. By asking a question or painting a picture, you automatically engage your audience.

If they’re paying attention for longer, you’ll be able to increase your watch-time and increase the likelihood of better rankings for your podcast.

Tip #4: Use a Call to Action

You’ve managed to attract new YouTube viewers, but what happens when they are done with your video?

While call to actions are a universal component in marketing, they’re often not allows applied.

Don’t be like other marketers.

Include call to actions at the end of each video you upload to ensure that you grow and retain your audience.

What kind call to actions should you use?

In the YouTube for podcast promotion example below, Tom Ferry uses a video suggestion and a link to his website where you can get show notes and also listen to other podcasts.

Show notes links are important

Ferry also takes advantage of the description section on YouTube. In addition to his brief write-up, he pushes viewers to other links that include the episode’s show notes, various platforms to listen to his podcast, and his social media accounts to connect with him directly.

Ferry also has his own branded website. If you plan on growing your podcast, with the prospect of developing a multimedia platform of your own, you could create a video website.

Everyone knows that YouTubers make money from ads (and some from endorsements), but few know that almost 96.5% of YouTube video creators don’t make enough to rise above the poverty line.

By creating your own platform, you’re able to generate revenue for your brand by selling your podcast and video content directly to your subscribers.

Tom Ferry Example

Conclusion

Podcasts, like all other marketing channels, can only grow if promoted. One of the most interesting ways is to expand your content with video and to use Youtube for podcast promotion. It’s a large platform with over a billion users, making it the perfect place to find your audience. It also affords podcasters the opportunity to promote their content in various ways, making is easier to attract and engage more viewers and turn them into subscribers.

About Our Guest Author Amir Shahzeidi:

Amir Shahzeidi
Amir Shahzeidi

Amir is the digital marketing manager at Uscreen, an all-in-one video monetization and live streaming platform that empowers video entrepreneurs and creators to monetize their content and build thriving businesses around their videos.

Guest post by author and SEO expert Andrii Gorh. Podcasts are one of the hottest content types right now. Recent acquisitions by Spotify in podcast media hubs just prove this point. It can be super challenging to create a high-quality podcast, which will gather the attention of millions of listeners, but SEO and search engine discoverability can help. In this blog, Andrii presents some SEO tricks, which might help you grow your podcast to be discovered in different mediums.

7 Methods to Grow Your Podcast

In short, you need to know how to grow your podcast and leverage it for SEO, but also how to rank well on the platforms, where you publish it.

  1. Catchy episode titles
  2. Use your website
  3. Optimize RSS feed
  4. Use Youtube
  5. Recycle your content
  6. Try Pinterest
  7. Link building with podcasts

1. Catchy episode titles

Catchy Episode Titles Help Grow Your Podcast
Photographer: chuttersnap

Start with a well-written title. This is how one can find your episodes on iTunes or Google Play. These marketplaces put a heavy emphasis on keywords, which are in your title.

Of course, also if the title is catchy and engaging – there is much more chance a user will click on it. For Youtube videos it is thumbnails, but for podcasts – it is all in a title. Check out Polymash's own post about 4 Ways to Create Amazing and SEO Savvy Episode Titles.

Certainly, don’t try to clickbait or stuff your podcast title with keywords – you might be punished by the algorithm of podcast search engines.

2. Use your website

USe your website for Podcast SEO
Photographer: Austin Distel

If you own a website – use it to earn more traffic to your show notes, and increase your episode downloads at the same time. If your show does not have your own website – I highly recommend creating one on your existing domain, or with your own new domain name. It is the entire idea behind creating a podcast as an inbound content strategy.

A podcast is a fantastic content type, which can attract a lot of organic traffic and backlinks to your site. Don’t waste this opportunity.

To get more organic traffic to your site, you can use a standard SEO playbook: original content, link building, on-page optimization, keyword research, tech setup, etc.

I would really recommend transforming your audio content to text, SEO optimizing it and using it on a blog for show notes entries.

Also, consider expanding your podcast's blog beyond episodes, additional content ideas for your podcast blog could be:

  • Some key takeaways from recent episodes;
  • Introducing a new series of episodes and explaining why;
  • Additional supporting visuals (especially infographics);
  • "Best of" recaps and themes;
  • Include lead magnets or some downloadables – e.g. checklists, e-books – a great way to collect e-mails;

But, don’t just copy paste your transcript – make it more engaging, readable – so it can produce a long session time on your website. We have an entire workflow to transform your show notes into an SEO asset for your site.

Another reason to have a website – it is an insurance strategy against algorithm changes on podcast networks. Let me explain. If you host your podcast only on third-party mediums – you are completely dependent on their rules. If one day something happens (e.g. Spotify doesn’t want to rank content about pets :) ) – your website would be a supporting channel to distribute your podcast.

3. Optimize RSS feed

Optimizing an RSS feed for podcasting SEO success
Photographer: Taras Shypka

RSS feed might sound like an old-school phenomenon, but it is really important for podcasts – this is how your content is distributed to iTunes, Google Play and most other platforms.

So, you need to keep best practices for titles, descriptions, images, category updates as well as your latest copyright information etc.

The best way to have full control of your RSS feed is to use services similar to Libsyn or free Powerpress WordPress plugin.

4. Use Youtube

Use Youtube to promote your podcast
Photographer: Christian Wiediger

Youtube is the second biggest Search Engine in the world after Google. You should obviously use the power of Youtube to bring more traffic to your podcast.

Create a channel and post highlights or full recordings of your podcasts. Maybe they will gather millions of views and subscribers!

Also, there are many services, which can convert your audio podcast to Youtube video.

5. Recycle your content

Recycling your content for podcast growth
Photographer: Lacey Williams

High-quality content might take a lot of effort and time. It would be a shame to use it only once. Repurpose your content in different forms. For example, from one podcast episode you can make:

  • Infographics and visuals
  • Slide decks
  • Blogs and articles
  • Videos
  • Downloadables and so on.

With more content, you will definitely increase your reach.

6. Try Pinterest

Using Pinterest to grow your podcast with SEO
Photographer: Charles

Pinterest is the fastest growing visual search engine in the world. Personally, I like Pinterest more than Instagram – because it brings evergreen traffic. It means, that even old posts bring traffic to your podcast or site, unlike Instagram or Facebook.

Learn Pinterest tactics, test different pin designs, see what works for you. Ideal pins are those, which bring click-throughs and traffic. Try to solve a problem within a pin text: e.g. “Find out 10 ways to save money in our new podcast episode”.

7. Link building with podcasts

Link building is an integral part of growing a podcast
Photographer: Bryson Hammer

A viral podcast episode can bring a lot of backlinks – other sites linking to your site. It will be a huge benefit for your website, where you embed podcast episodes (check out advice #2). Backlinks are one of the most important factors in Google ranking – the more you have the higher you are on SERP (Search Engine Result Page).

A Tool For Link Building Campaigns

Link building campaigns work best when SEOs use strategies based on insight as opposed to guesses.

Check out Linkio. It is a software platform that helps you run more successful link building campaigns as a podcaster or blogger. The tool provides everything you need for effective (and enjoyable) backlink campaign management, and they offer a free trial.

Collaboration

The easiest way to get backlinks is to collaborate with guest speakers, publish content on their sites and get free backlinks, mentions to your site. Also, try outreach – email other bloggers, influencers in your niche, mentioning your podcast and asking for a backlink. You can also ask for a guest contribution on their blog, in exchange for a backlink.

About our guest author:

Andrii Gorh
Andrii Gorh: SEO ninja

Andrii Gorh: SEO ninja with 10+ years of experience. He LOVES keyword research, rank tracking and tech SEO tricks. Check out his advanced SEO blog: Online Hikes and other tech hacks at MrHack.io. Featured image credit: Web Hosting

Podcast Marketing With Social Contests And Give-Aways

Promoting a newly launched podcast with a Facebook contest used to be a very popular podcast marketing tactic. The idea was to launch a contest featuring a relevant give-away and to boost it with paid Facebook ads. To enter the contest, contestants were asked to subscribe to the show, leave an iTunes review, and then to email the iTunes ID name used for the review to the podcast host as proof. The podcast host would then enter the applicant into the contest drawing.

In today's episode we examine:

  • The reasons why this is not as popular launch strategy anymore
  • But also why this podcast marketing strategy is still a good idea today
  • Prize selection tips and why they are key for this podcast marketing strategy
  • Contest Structure
  • We will cover some of the best paid and free contest platforms
  • Tips for setting up and running such contests
  • Need some help for your own contest launch?

iTunes Focused Launches Have Changed

Podcast marketing no longer focuses on iTunes alone
Podcast marketing no longer focuses on iTunes alone

The reason this was a successful strategy a few years ago was that the "New and Noteworthy" algorithm within iTunes was driven by the number of reviews a podcast would receive in the initial weeks after launch. And contests were a great way to get lots of reviews in a short amount of time.

Since then, the algorithm to rise to the top of iTunes has changed. It is no longer driven by the number of reviews. Instead, at the time of this writing, the number of new subscribers have the most impact, followed by the number of episode downloads. Therefore the number of reviews no longer contribute to being at the top of the “New and Noteworthy” section.

As I have said elsewhere:

I feel that podcasters needlessly obsess about getting into the "New and Noteworthy" section.

The reality is that over the last two years iTunes has become a highly competitive space, given that major popular radio stations have shifted their energies from terrestrial and satellite radio to podcasts as a way to create a digital presence.

And there has been evidence that being featured in "New and Noteworthy" typically yields only a few hundred additional subscribers.

Podcast marketing through “Launch Contest” is less common now

The main reason is that N&N is no longer as influenced my the number of reviews a podcast gets. Besides no longer being as effective, setting up a launch contest usually takes a good deal of time to set up. You need landing pages, marketing automation capability and time. Or money to spend on contest platforms.

But if you have the passion, time and effort to spare, a launch contest will still give your podcast launch a great boost, for some of the below reasons:

But iTunes Reviews Are Still Important

Reviews are still important and should not be ignored. They lend credibility and social proof to a podcast. Seeing that dozens of people are leaving great reviews for a podcast you might enjoy might tip the scale for you to take action and subscribe. On the other hand, seeing a podcast on iTunes with no reviews at all also tells you something.

Why a Launch Contest is Still A Good Idea

Getting reviews and testimonials is as hard as it ever was. We've seen this play out countless times. People are happy to offer leaving a review, but iTunes doesn't make this process very straight-forward. So when it comes down to it, even your friends and relatives somehow don't get around to it without repeat reminders.

Contest Prize Selection

Prize selection matters in podcast marketing  with contests
Prize selection matters in podcast marketing with contests

Adding the right prizes and incentives is key. The selected giveaways don’t have to be expensive. It is more important that they be relevant, and related to the podcast topic or context.

So for example, for a customer experience podcast you might have a contest to win free tickets to the biggest yearly Customer Experience conference. That beats offering an iPad as a prize, simply because your subscriber and contest participants are much more likely to actually care about your podcast and topic, instead of just trying to win an iPad.

Another example might be a podcast about podcasting, podcast growth and promotions such as my own show. If I were to run a contest for the Podcast Growth Show, I would choose to give away a premium microphone or podcasting gear package as the grand prize.

Why Choose Multiple Prizes?

But one prize is not enough. By giving away multiple prizes, you increase the desirability and success of your contest simply because there are better odds and many more ways to win.

The most successful contests offer a single grand prize, and then a number of secondary prizes in decreasing value.

In fact, you should give away a free resource for everyone entering your contest. This could be a simple lead magnet PDF, as long as it is related to your podcast's topic and focus.

Podcast Marketing Contest Example Prizes

For the Podcast Growth Show, here is how I would plan to structure my own podcast contest. My goal would be to attract new podcasters. So my prize selection would focus on thinking about what would be relevant for new podcasters.

Pretty much every podcaster I know tried to save money during their initial studio setup. And the thing they most likely tried to save money on is their microphone boom arm. A cheap version of this can be highly frustrating to use, and a more professional model with greater reach and a more solid feel is a pleasure to use. Believe me, podcasters will appreciate the difference.

  • 1st Prize: Premium RODE PSA1 Swivel Mount Studio Microphone Boom Arm (a $109 value)
  • 2nd Prize: A Great Dynamic Podcast XLR and USB Microphone – The Audio Technica AT2005 (a $79 value)
  • 3rd Prize: 15 copies of our "Podcast Marketing & SEO Online Course" – (a $97 value)
  • 9th-25 Prize: Our Podcast Marketing Bible Ebook (a $9.97 value)
  • Prize for all contest entrants: "How To Market Your Podcast" ebook and access to our online "Podcasting Resources Guide"

Contest Structure

Podcast promotion contest structure
There are many facets to consider when launching a podcast promotion contest

As I previously mentioned, the launch contests of yesteryear focused on getting iTunes reviews. But that should no longer be the only focus now. For me, it is much more important to attract the right listeners to join my email list and to subscribe to my podcast through email notifications.

So my focus would be to get contest entrants to

  1. Subscribe to my show via email
  2. Subscribe to my show's YouTube channel, because I feature lots of cool "how to" and demo videos there
  3. Like my podcast's Facebook page
  4. Join our Facebook podcast marketing group
  5. Leave an iTunes review

Multiple Actions to Enter The Contest

These are multiple actions to take, and people might think this is a lot to ask just to enter a contest. And that is right, except:

Each action completed creates additional chances to win the prize

So the logic is this: You must subscribe to my email list, that part is required because otherwise I cannot communicate with you and send you the prize. But if you complete the other additional steps, each completed tasks enters you in the contest additional times, greatly increasing your chances of winning one or more prizes.

And, each action is weighed differently: For example, subscribing to my Youtube channel is worth an additional 5 entries, but leaving an iTunes review is worth 25 additional entries.

The genius of this approach for podcast reviews is that it makes it a no-brainer for a contest entrant to do the hardest thing: Leave you an iTunes review.

Later in the podcast I explore the differences between a DIY approach versus utilizing one of the contest platforms out there. This approach of multiple contest entries for multiple actions is only possible by using proper contest management platforms like.

An example of multiple actions to increase your chances

In our video we feature a great example of this in a contest currently underway. The company is Syrp, and they are giving away some photo gear. Click below to start the video at 10:44 seconds:

At 10:44 – an example of multiple ways to enter a contest

Is it necessary to validate iTunes Reviews?

Unfortunately I don't know of any platform that integrates with iTunes directly to validate if someone actually left an iTunes review. But in my mind, most people will do so if asked, because they are afraid of missing out and being found out. What if you were to ask them for the iTunes name they left a review under before sending them their prize?

  • Note that with the Gleam.io platform, there are several easy ways to enter a contest by answering a question or by leaving a comment – and here you can simply ask the user to enter the iTunes name under which the review was left.

Creating Contest Landing Pages

If you want to create a contest, you will want to set up a contest landing page. A contest landing page is a distraction free website or page where you can send ad traffic to, and where people can learn about and sign up for your contest.

You can build such pages manually, but you may not need to when using the contest platforms we will discuss a bit later. They handle the creation of and simplify the design of landing pages, and some even allow you to create multiple versions of these pages and conduct A/B tests to see which ones perform best.

Q: Do you need to A/B test pages? A: It depends. There are people out there that have tested their contest pages. Here are some links to these tests and their outcomes. Why not learn from their tests and model your landing page on their winners? This will save you time and effort.

Generally speaking, it seems that contest landing pages with video perform better.

The Facebook Ad Campaign

Once you have a landing page, it's time to set up a Facebook campaign to boost your contest landing page. Facebook marketing is too big a topic to tackle in this episode, but here are a few tips to make this work:

Setting Up And Using Facebook Ads Manager

Creating A Facebook Ad

There are many easy ways in which you can create a Facebook ad. You shoot a quick video or FB live post, create one or more images about your contest, and come up with some fun language to use for a Facebook post.

We use the AIDA method when creating Facebook ads and landing pages for contests:

  • A =Attention – Ask a provocative question or make a statement that earns the attention of your audience
  • I=Interest – Expand on attention grabbing line with something that will peak their interest and explain.
  • D=Desire – What's in it for them to enter your contest. Duh, that's easy, right?
  • A=Action – This is the call to action, what you want them to do

Finding The Right Audience

The key in making Facebook ads effective and affordable is to show your contest ads to only your very best, most relevant audience. In Facebook parlance this is called "audience targeting". If you have never done Facebook ads before, this can be a bit tricky. Basically you are trying to limit the number of people who see your ads to only those interested in your primary topic.

Targeting Podcast Listeners

But that is not all: You also want to make sure the audience your Facebook ads are shown to are likely podcast listeners, and that part is much harder.

podcast marketing with Facebook Ads
The 5 Step Process to Advertise To Podcast Listeners On Facebook

We have a 5 step process to target likely podcast listeners on Facebook. It walks you through our method on Facebook Ads manager, and you will learn how to target people generally interested in your podcast's topic, but who also are likely podcast listeners.

Free vs Paid Contest Platforms

Are paid contest marketing platforms worth it?

Should you use a paid contest platform like the ones we outlined above? Or is there a way to build this all for free?

Advantages of Paid Contest Platforms

Paid contest platforms are the way to go. For a relatively low monthly fee they offer a range of distinct advantages over a DIY approach.

They integrate with social networks. This means they validate that someone actually shared a post, liked your Facebook Page or Youtube channel. All of this before they are entered in the contest.

Most paid platforms offer pre-built contest landing pages for you. You get up and running much more quickly, and don't have to invest in fancy landing page builders.

They send out custom email reminders. This saves you from having to create your own email funnels, saving a lot of time.

Some have A/B testing built in. This means you get to test out multiple landing pages to see which perform better.

Here are some of my favorite contest platforms to consider:

Rafflecopter

  • Rafflecopter – One of the most affordable platforms out there. Rafflecopter offers a free plan, trials for the more advanced plans starting at $13 a month at the time of this writing. While an easy platform to start with, it is basic.
  • It lacks some of the more innovative features features found on higher priced platforms.

Gleam.io

  • Gleam.io – I really like Gleam.io. It is a smart and flexible contest platform. It rewards people to take multiple actions to promote you while entering your contest. This increases the viral potential of your podcast marketing or launch contest. After having reviewed about 10 different contest management platforms, Gleam has emerged as my favorite. It is, however, not the least expensive, the Pro plan being $45 a month.

Upviral

  • Upviral – a good alternative to Gleam if the expense of that platform is a hurdle. By automatically emailing reminders, setting goals and providing incentives/rewards, your contest entrants stay on track and deliver. They get rewarded, you get new subscribers and everyone’s happy! Upviral has an example case study on their site of their own podcast launch contest which resulted in 7000 contest site visitors, 450 leads and 50+ reviews on iTunes.

Contest Domination

  • Contest Domination – a flexible platform that offers 7 day trial and a per contest payment option for $100 for a month. The benefit of their approach is that you get access to all features, where some of the other popular platform restrict their features for the basic plans.

To summarize these contest platforms, I feel that Gleam is the most innovative platform to try, and you can expect to spend perhaps $90 for a pro plan for a 2 months campaign. The major spend for podcast launch campaigns comes from Facebook ads anyhow, I would expect to spend between $20-$50 a day for the duration of the campaign. Be sure to check out Episode 3 of our podcast on Paid Podcast Advertising – A Look Behind The Scenes [S1E03]

Free Contest Platform Options

If you want to run your podcast launch contest with absolutely no additional expense, here are some ways to do it as well as some things to keep in mind:

  • To save money on prizes, you can give away content and prizes that don't cost you anything, like courseware, or eBooks or other premium content you have previously developed
  • You can use your own email list software like Mailchimp or Constant contact or even free Gmail automation tools like YAMM (we covered YAMM for Podcast Guesting Outreach in episode XX of our podcast)
  • You will need to develop your own landing pages on your podcast or blogging site.
  • Rely on your social network for free promotion and awareness of your contest, with a big enough following you can save on promoting your contest with paid ads
  • You can use tools like GoViral – a free platform from Growth Tools which ensures and validates social sharing. It is great to use as an add-on for thank you pages.
  • Try out GiveawayTools – a new contest design platform that's currently still in beta, but is free and integrates with several social platforms.

So it can theoretically be done for free, but it will require a large investment of time on your part.

My own view is that a zero cost and DIY approach is not likely to succeed

And the question you should ask yourself is about the relationship between time spent and likely effectiveness of the contest campaign you are setting up.

Need a guide to help with your own contest launch?

I've just published a resource for folks wanting to set up their own contest. This is published in "Open PDF" format, meaning the entire guide is provided on-line with no sign-up required, but you can download it guide as an option if you want.

Podcast Marketing with Launch Contests
Podcast Marketing with Launch Contests

I also offer some ways to collaborate around setting up your own launch contest, from low cost "DIY" sanity checks all the way to "Done for you" contest setup and management.

Conclusion

Apart from getting iTunes reviews, a podcast marketing contest with the right prizes and incentives can quickly add a ton of visibility and email subscribers to your podcast.

While it may not reliably get you into the "New and Noteworthy" section of the iTunes podcast directory any more, having some great reviews still lends social proof and credibility to your podcast. And email subscribers to your show are a permanent asset.

If you decide to run a podcast marketing contest, I recommend using a paid contest platform, as this will save you a ton of time and effort.

Podcast guests are key in helping promote an interview style podcast

One of the best things about having an interview style podcast is that you get to know and collaborate with some really cool people. And if you're lucky, your podcast guest will help you to promote "their" episode and your podcast.

If you're even more fortunate, your guests are well connected and have a large social media following – resulting in more people being aware of your podcast and subscribing along the way.

Don't Fall Into The Expectation Trap

You might expect that your podcast guest will help you promote "their" podcast episode.

But make sure this is not an unspoken assumption on your part.

After having launched over a dozen shows, I’ve found that getting your podcast guest to share episode links with their own social networks can be like pulling teeth. It's a bit like asking for reviews, people seem happy to do offer them in principle, but then it rarely happens without gentle reminders. Repeat reminders.

And depending on your own personality type, asking explicitly may not be in your nature. Repeatedly.

Add to this the fact that the more connected and “famous” your guest is, the less likely they are to do this without being prompted.

Getting a podcast guest to want to help co-promote breaks down into 2 parts:

  1. Designing a pleasurable experience of being on your show
  2. Making it super easy to help promote your podcast

So here are some tips to make this easy on yourself, and even easier for your guest.

Part 1: Designing the Podcast Guest Experience

Podcast guest experiences are a matter of design
Podcast guest experiences are a matter of design

You want your guests to be excited to be on your show. For guests that have never been on a podcast before, this may require some gentle education about the mutual benefits of being on your podcast. The goal is to foster a sense of excitement, collaboration, co-ownership and reciprocity.

In fact we have found that once guests truly understand all of the benefits of "guesting" on your podcast, they are much more likely to chip in and promote the episode when it goes live.

Explain How You Will Present Your Guest In A Good Light

We have an on-boarding sequence when we book podcast guests on our shows. During this process we reiterate that the process is designed for us to be able to promote the guest, highlight their background, links to their website, current initiatives and so on.

During this phase, we ask them to fill out an on-boarding form. They are to provide social media links, books they are promoting, short bios, profile pictures etc. This is so that we can create a great looking guest section with pictures and links to their work.

In other words, we want to create great looking episode show notes that our guests would be proud to share and to help cross promote. Essentially, we're doing this on THEIR behalf.

Making the Sign Up Process Easy

Still, people are busy, and they hate to fill out forms. Especially if they seem complicated. So here are some design aspects to help make this process easy:

  1. Do not use a super long intimidating looking forms with lots of fields to fill out
  2. Instead, break fields into manageable small sections with fewer fields
  3. If you are on WordPress, use a forms tool that supports a "wizard" like interface, which breaks the sign up process into smaller steps or pages
  4. Display a progress bar on the sign up form
  5. Extra credit for forms that can be "saved" in the middle of filling out a form

Here are some WordPress tools that support multi-step forms

Eliminate Technical Difficulties

You want your interview to go smoothly, and making sure there are no last minute technical difficulties is important. Look at it from your guests point of view: They may not be used to Skype. They may not have headphones, earbuds or microphones. They may not know how to connect these or configure Skype in the right way.

We produce some podcasts where our guests are an older demographic or simply "tech averse". Or we get people who cannot use Skype because they are behind a corporate firewall, and we therefore need to offer alternative recording platforms like "Ringrr".

In any case, the last thing you want is to discover these things the last minute before starting to record, which usually results in a flustered guest.

2 tips for eliminating technical issues

  1. Send a "technical setup" email as part of your guest onboarding sequence.
  2. Arrange for a brief test call a day or so before the actual interview to iron out any issues. Some podcasters have a brief 10 minute "test" conversation with their guests right before the interview starts, and this is OK as long as you are confident that your guests have the equipment and experience to handle that.

Prep Your Guests On What To Expect

Being comfortable doesn't just depend on technical issues. Guests appreciate having sense of the flow of the conversation.

A lot of podcasts follow a set interview structure, with predictable segments and questions that the guest will be asked. Take John Lee Dumas' "Entrepreneur on Fire"
podcast. He has an episode format with certain questions that each podcast guest can easily prepare for ahead of time.

Open ended conversation with surprise questions may be more unsettling for your guests. But this may make for a much more interesting listening experience for your audience, and result in more surprising and compelling podcasting.

In the end you may have to balance your guests comfort with your listening audience's expectations for compelling conversations.

Tips for balancing guest vs listener experience:

  • Approach it from a hybrid perspective. Feature open conversation segments, but also have several prepared questions for your guest to fall back on.
  • Ask your guest to listen to one or more representative podcast episode so they know what to expect.
  • Send your typical episode structure outline to your guest via email as part of the aforementioned "onboarding sequence". Even if you have mostly unstructured conversations, sending a "guest cheat sheet" ahead of time is a good idea.

Part 2: Getting Your Guests To Co-Promote Their Episode

Getting your podcast guest to share
Make sure your podcast guests know you would like them to share your episode

Make Your Expectations Clear From The Beginning

In our guest on-boarding sequence we already make it clear that we expect podcast guests to share the episode on their social networks, in a nice way. And we tell each guest that when the show goes live, they will receive ready made shareable links and notifications.

Automate The Process

Scripts and templates are designed to make your process easier.

A great tool for this on Mac is an application called Text Expander. This is where you can store pre-written emails. When you are ready to send the email, a popup will prompt you to simply fill in the blanks with the needed information. In this case that would be the name of the guest, name of episode, episode URL, etc.

Which emails are part of our typical on-boarding sequence?

  1. "Thank You Note", sent right after filling out our podcast guest application. This is a short simple email. We don't want to overwhelm with too much information at this point. But we do include a Calendly or YouCanBook.me link to schedule a test call and get this on the calendar.
  2. "What To Expect" email, sent an hour after filling out our podcast guest application. This includes our podcast "one sheet" PDF with typical episodes, show structure, about pages and other useful links. It also contains guides for technical setup, wearing earbuds, Skype etc. We ask guests to ask questions at this point.
  3. "Reminder Email", sent 2 days before recording. By this time you as the host might have formulated some guest specific questions in addition to the normal episode structure. Also this is discussed on the pre-call.

Some Automation Resources:

Make Sharing Easy For Your Podcast Guest

One of the easiest ways to get people to share is to send them an email containing instructions on how to share your show notes post on your website. They will want to check out the show notes pages anyhow, and in many casts that is true.

The problem with that is that you are asking your podcast guest to take the time to visit your website, check out your show notes page and then use social share buttons to share. And in this scenario they have to come up with some clever text to share. This is not exactly distraction free, as they might start reading your show notes, listening to parts of the interview. Next thing you know they have forgotten to share, and OMG, look at the time.

Usually our guests are extremely busy people, what if there is a better way?

Well, there is. By all means, first send your guests to the show notes page to check it all out and to see what a quality job you did.

But then send them ready-made share links in one or more separate follow up emails. A big benefit benefit of this strategy is that you want your guests to share your show notes page. NOT the iTunes link. Not the episode on Stitcher or SoundCloud or Spotify.

Social share traffic needs to go to your website, not iTunes.

There are some really awesome services out there that let you prepare ready-made tweets and Facebook shares. They are easy to use, and you can prepare several social shares for your guest to click on and use. These can simply be sent via email. Your guest does not even have to visit the show notes page to use these:

Sharing Ease Resources:

The idea is to send your podcast guest a separate email with a range of pre-made tweets and social shares.

  • Click To Tweet – is a twitter specific service that generates tweets. Click here for another example of a ready-made tweet to our "The Podcast Growth Show" homepage.

A Simple Sharing Text Example

Use something like the below for Facebook/LinkedIn and/or Google+

“I was just on the [NAME OF PODCAST] with [YOUR NAME] and talked about [WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT]. If you’re [REASON WHY SOMEONE MIGHT BE INTERESTED], listen here: [PASTE THE LINK FROM STEP #1)

Use something similar for Twitter and include a service like ClickToTweet:

“I was just interviewed by [YOUR TWITTER HANDLE] and talked about [WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT]. Listen here: [INSERT SHORTENED LINK FROM STEP #1]”

But be creative, and don't just send one single share. Send a range to choose from. Outline the text for each share and then paste the share link next to the share text in the email

Share The Success And The Once Is Not Enough Rule

You may think that after the initial share of your live episode you should not repeatedly ask your guest to help promote. I get that.

But your podcast guest will love to hear about how popular their episode was. So here are some good ways to stay in touch and to send additional shareable links without being a nuisance:

  • Let them know how well received the episode was, and place some additional shareables at the bottom of that email.
  • Even months after the interview, you can reach out to let your guests know that you are getting great feedback. Again, place some share links into that email.

Conclusion

Involving your podcast guest in the promotion of their episode and your podcast overall is a critical element in building a community around your show. I can summarize the important bits like this:

  • Educate your guests on the benefits of appearing on your podcast
  • Set an expectation that this is a collaboration that can succeed only with their help, beyond just showing up for an interview
  • Make it as easy as possible to be on your show
  • Make it as easy as possible for your guests to share your episodes
  • Be persistent and follow up more than once

Podcast Advertising – a look behind the scenes of the top 3 platforms

Podcast Advertising, especially with paid ads, might not be something most podcasters consider in promoting their show and growing their subscriber base. Lots of questions arise:

  • How effective are paid podcast advertising strategies, and do they work for podcasters trying to promote their show?
  • Which ad platforms are the most effective? And which are the most affordable?

We take a look behind the scenes of 3 platforms, Google AdWords, Facebook and Podcast Ad Networks.

Using Paid Podcast Advertising Strategies

Using paid ads for promoting a podcast may not be for everyone. A lot of casual podcasters are in it just for the fun. If their show grows organically, fine. But spending money on ads is not something they'd consider.

However, when podcasting is part of a business content strategy, then paid promotions seem to make more sense.

Still, here are some common questions and objections:

  1. It is an expensive way of getting new subscribers?
  2. Measuring the effectiveness of paid ads is difficult?
  3. Your ads may not even be reaching podcast listeners?

A Podcast's Business Purpose

I find that podcasting for business is more inbound than outbound. Successful business podcasts should offer solutions, solve a prospects problems or provide training and education. Thus they are extremely effective in building a brand's authority.

But Podcasts are not effective for direct response selling to cold traffic.

If you are a business getting into podcasting as a way to sell something, stop. You might be better off advertising on existing podcasts in your niche. We cover this later in this episode.

On the other hand, if a business has a good inbound content marketing funnel, podcasts can serve as a great entry vehicle. As a business podcaster you get to talk to your ideal and relevant audience when they are in a receptive mode. Think about what people are doing when listening to their favorite podcast, the one you are appearing on. They are likely commuting, working out, going for a walk.

This listening modality is very different from interrupting an audience in the middle of browsing through their Facebook feed. So the "getting to know, like and trust" factor is huge in podcasting. And this is why Podcast Listeners are such a lucrative audience. You get to offer solutions, entertainment, education – and present your core ideas to them. But this takes the vision to invest in a longer term "inbound" strategy.

High Ad Awareness

Podcasts result in exceptionally high awareness levels for ads.

Among those who listen to or watch podcasts, just over two-thirds (67%) say they’re aware of ads in podcasts. While not an apples-to-apples comparison, the number far exceeds the 26% of smartphone users who recalled seeing an ad in a Facebook newsfeed in the last 30 days, or banner ad on the mobile web (22%)

Podcast Advertising Stats
Podcast Advertising Response Rates (source: Magid Study)

I'd like to compare several podcast advertising platforms in this episode, and point out the differences between them. Not all ad platforms are created equal.

So here’s my take on 3 platforms.

  1. Google AdWords
  2. Facebook Paid Ads
  3. Podcast Ad Networks

Podcast Advertising With Google Adwords

Podcast Advertising With Google Adwords
Google AdWords is the 800 lbs gorilla. Can it work for podcasters?

Generally speaking AdWords is expensive. So the question you’ll want to ask yourself is this: Can I afford driving traffic to my podcast at $5-$20 per click? How do you even know if your ads are reaching podcast listeners? On AdWords you cannot target podcast audiences easily.

My own view is that you need measurable results for AdWords to make sense.

For most businesses this means sending traffic to a good podcast landing page with a compelling reason to subscribe to their podcast.

Often such landing pages features an incentive for subscribing to the podcast via email, for example a guide, gift, contest or give-away. At least these landing pages should collect email addresses. Using Google Ads to send cold traffic to iTunes and hoping that people subscribe is difficult to measure, and not worth it in my opinion.

So we don’t use it except for certain corporate podcasts or non-profit podcasts in search of PR (as we are producing several). Some organizations have a PR budget, and promoting their show on AdWords seems appropriate for them.

For example, we have a non-profit organization with a podcast that has a grant from Google. We should all be so lucky! Podcast advertising using AdWords makes sense when the cost is reduced by such a grant. Plus, in their case Google stipulates that the grant money be spent this way:)

When is AdWords Appropriate?

If you are promoting high ticket products, services or programs costing hundreds or thousands of dollars, then running a podcast advertising campaign costing $5-$20 per click may appear to make sense.

But assuming that you can convert 3% of these clicks into podcast podcast listeners and subscribers, your cost per subscriber would be between $170 and $670. If you think that's expensive, so do I.

One example where AdWords could make sense is a Financial Investment and Trading Podcast. A client signing up to such a podcast and becoming a client later is worth many thousands of dollars.

But for casual podcasts with a small budget I think Adwords are hardly ever worth pursuing.

Facebook Advertising For Podcasts

Facebook Ads For Podcasts
Podcast Advertising With Facebook

Facebook is one of the most affordable paid choices for promoting a podcast. It may seem easy to simply “boost” an episode specific post on your podcast site, and then hope people listen and subscribe.

But I would not recommend this approach when first starting out. Instead, I would recommend sending traffic to your main podcast landing page that features an incentive for signing up.

Where to Send Facebook Traffic?

When you're first starting with Facebook ads, you should send these ads to your podcast home page, not your episode pages. Do not simply boost your episode shared post on Facebook. This is because boosting an individual episode show notes post seems like a quick solution but rarely converts as well as a carefully crafted visual leading to a conversion optimized page. And your ad should be designed to specifically outline the listener benefit and value proposition of your overall podcast.

Some podcasters promote on Facebook by sending traffic straight to their iTunes page. This makes no sense to me, since iTunes makes for a very poor landing page. By sending your valuable ad traffic to iTunes, you miss the opportunity to present the benefits of signing up for your podcast, and to capture an email subscriber in the process. Plus, from an SEO perspective, iTunes doesn't need traffic or social signals, but your own site does.

So let's assume you are sending ad traffic to your own podcast homepage. You therefore want to ensure your podcast home page is optimized for conversion. We have a huge guide on podcast design patterns for conversion, I suggest you check it out.

There is an exception to this rule.

If you have a lead magnet or give-away specifically for each episode, Facebook can be a great way to take advantage of that. Your visual for the Facebook ad can focus on the lead magnet give away, instead of on static or boring podcast art. Your Facebook episode specific ads should make it clear that there is a "must have" lead magnet associated with the ad.

The more your "lead magnet" is aligned with the topic of the episode, the better the conversion rates will be.

Targeting Podcast Listeners On Facebook

As I mentioned, targeting podcast listeners on Facebook can be tricky. Here is our 5 step process for creating custom Facebook audiences that are more likely to be podcast listeners. You can use this to drive Facebook traffic to your podcast's home page. By the way this is an example of an episode specific lead magnet:

Podcast Advertising and targeting on Facebook

Using Facebook Paid Ads For Contests

A popular and effective way to gain podcast subscribers is by running a contest or give-away on Facebook. This used to be a popular podcast launch strategy. Contests were typically set up to ask for an iTunes review in exchange for entering the contest. However, the iTunes algorithms have changed since then. Reviews no longer play as much of a role in driving a podcast into the New and Noteworthy section.

That said, contests can work for subscriber growth even after the initial launch period. The benefit here is that people entering your contest are providing their email address, and you can make it clear that by entering the contest your listeners are signing up for email notifications when new episodes launch.

The prize for a contest does not need to be anything super expensive.

But it should be aligned with the topic of the show. It is much more important that the prize is relevant. Take a Customer Experience podcast for example. Rather than giving away an iPad or some other expensive gadget, consider giving away tickets to the premiere Customer Experience Conference that year. If you were to give away an iPad you would get tons of meaningless content entries of people just fishing for an electronic gadget. But it you are giving away conference tickets, you can be sure that people entering your contest are interested in your topic, and thus ideal podcast subscribers.

Here are some good Facebook Contest Resources.

  • Heyo – Beautiful and easy to set up, including a free trial and affordable monthly rate after that.
  • Wishpond – Lots of contest templates to choose from. Also includes a free trial.
  • Shortstack – A platform for contests and quizzes. More options and a greater learning curve.
  • Agora Pulse – Most affordable platform, and ROI focused.

For a more complete review of Facebook Contest platforms, check out this in-depth review by Venture Harbor.

Additional Ways To Use Facebook for Podcast Advertising

While Facebook advertising is affordable and effective, it is also a pretty vast topic, requiring lots of expertise. We will do a deep dive into this in a future episode. Here are just some additional ideas on utilizing the Facebook ads platform.

  • Facebook Messenger bots to invite people to subscribe or leave a review. These messenger bots result in you acquiring leads with emails.
  • Installing Facebook Pixels on your site and re-targeting your site visitors to subscribe.
  • Running Facebook ads to social share gates, using our favorite social share gate tool called "GoViral". This saves you from having to create a landing page, and still results in people sharing your podcast pages with their Facebook audience in order to "unlock" your lead magnet offer.

If you have not done so before, getting started properly with Facebook ads can be intimidating, so consider taking a Facebook ads course or hiring someone experienced to help you get started.

Podcast Ad Networks

Podcast Ad Networks

With both AdWords and Facebook you will mostly be advertising to non-podcast listeners. It is difficult to target podcast listeners only on Facebook, and next to impossible on Google.

In-podcast advertising networks are so effective because by default, your entire audience consists of podcast listeners.

One great way to get new listeners is to advertise on other existing podcasts in your niche. Most podcasters only think of podcast advertising networks as something to help them monetize their own show. But placing an ad inside one of the most popular podcasts in your niche can be super effective. According to Midroll, 61% of podcast listeners have taken action and purchased or signed up for something from such podcast ads.

The real benefit of this approach is the fact that you are advertising on your medium. If people are listening to your ads, that means they are podcast subscribers already. It is much easier to convince them to check out your show, than to show your Facebook or AdWords content to people who may not even listen to podcasts at all.

So how much does this cost?

Here is some information from Midroll, by far the best known podcast advertising network.

All Midroll podcast ads are priced on a cost-per-thousand downloads model, or CPM. For instance, with a $25 CPM, a spot on a show with 10,000 downloads per episode costs $250; with 100,000 downloads, it’s $2500.

So let’s do the math. If your ad is highly relevant to the audience of the podcast you place your ad into, and assuming 3% of listeners take action and subscribe to your show, your cost per new listener would be $0.83. If only 1% of listeners take action, then it would be $2.50 per subscriber.

On the surface, these numbers compare very favorably to advertising on Facebook or AdWords. However, there is a rub: Podcast networks charge per download, and the number of downloads do not equal the number of listens. And in order for your in-podcast midroll ads to work, you need people to listen, right? How many downloads are actually listened to depends greatly on the type of podcast. A daily news podcast might have a much lower download to listen ration vs. a podcast with a loyal fan base. Just something to keep in mind.

Midroll

  • Midroll is the largest player in this field, with an inventory of over 300 podcasts, and a focus of matching podcasters with
  • Here is a link to Midroll’s metrics, demographics and pricing, everything you need to know to advertise your own show on one of the best known podcast ad networks.

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Archer Avenue

  • Archer Avenue works with you to ensure your ads are placed only on the shows you are interested in. They can also help you design an audio ad matching the style of the show you would be advertising on.

Advertise Cast

  • Advertise Cast has an interesting tool to help you find podcasts to advertise on, as well as predict the total spend of your campaign. Look for the "filter" tool in the left sidebar of their site. You can set the Cost Per Thousand (CPM) downloads to display podcasts that match your budget, and then proceed to select shows that would be a good fit.

Podgrid

  • Podgrid focuses on small to medium sized shows, and go the extra mile to match you with the best podcasts to advertise on.
  • Because they are small, they work to match your budget. Thus I think they are a good choice if you want to experiment with a limited budget.

Podcast One

  • Podcast One is a large network with 200 shows and "400 million impressions" according to their page.
  • They claim to be able to offer metrics on spots actually being heard, instead of using downloads. This is done through "3rd party verification". I do no know to what extent this increases their pricing, something you might wish to ask when reaching out to them,

How To Get Started With Advertising on Podcast Ad Networks

If placing ads on podcast networks seems intimidating, there is a good article on Adopter Media explaining podcast advertising rates and how they work. It answers the most common questions about how costs are determined and common pricing approaches.

In order to figure out if this will work for your podcast and your budget, I would suggest the following: Study each podcast network website listed above. Remember that the best outcome results from being aligned with the show you are advertising on.

  • Make a list of podcasts that would suit your niche and messaging.
  • Set a budget you would be comfortable with for 1/2 year.
  • Contact each network through their online form and describe what you are looking for.
  • If your budget is limited, try the Podgrid network first.

All of the podcast networks are very customer friendly. They offer consulting sessions to help you get started, and I'd suggest phone or Zoom meetings with each one to get a sense of how they work and how well aligned you are with their stable of available podcasts.

Conclusion

All in all, I think I can summarize it like this.

  1. Google Adwords is appropriate only in rare circumstances. If your podcast is associated with a "big ticket item" business, or if you have a grant:)
  2. Facebook is the most versatile podcast advertising platform simply because it's targeting flexibility and relative affordability.
  3. Podcast Ad Networks are the most effective way to get to existing podcast listeners, but require a decent budget.

Most podcasters find that after the initial success of launching their show, podcast growth becomes harder. Meaning, it becomes harder and harder to gain new listeners and subscribers.

Growing a podcast audience by relying on iTunes New and Noteworthy, or promotions via social media, or submitting to all sorts of podcast directories is a finite thing. Yes, these are all good and necessary steps in promoting a podcast, but eventually, the growth slows down or stops altogether.

The Podcast Growth System

This is why I’ve been working to compile insights we have gained over the years in launching different shows for a variety of clients. For most, podcasting has become a great content strategy for growth. So I am very excited to announce the launch of a podcast marketing system, as well as a book that teaches these techniques.

The approach we have taken incorporate Podcast SEO. And I don’t just mean “Search Engine Optimization” on iTunes, Stitcher or other podcasting platforms, I mean optimizing podcast episode planning and websites for discovery on Google and Bing.

For podcasters, applying simple to follow SEO techniques represents a massive traffic advantage in optimizing the time they likely already spend creating show notes and episode posts. And, these techniques are much more sustainable and evergreen when compared to short-term promotional or paid campaigns (which of course also have a place in the system).

Keep It Simple, Stupid

“Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” –Albert Einstein

Podcast SEO Marketing Course

Learn more about how to grow your podcast with the “Podcast SEO Marketing Course”

SEO can seem intimidating, so we’ve tried to keep it simple, with video tutorials and easy to follow downloadable templates. In other words, an expert guide on how to grow a podcast audience, email list and web presence with podcast SEO marketing through step by step guides and practical SEO exercises for your show’s pages.

Any podcaster can learn to build a listener base and gain traffic for their podcast organically and without having to spend money on ads.

The ROI of Podcast SEO

Podcast SEO ROIYou question the ROI of spending time on SEO? I beg to differ, have a look at this graphic from the Positivity Strategist Podcast, it illustrates that the podcast is receiving $2,000 worth of clicks a month (This analysis provided by SpyFu analytics, who measure what we would have to pay in Google Adwords for the exact keywords driving traffic to the podcast website and show pages) This comes from the exact techniques we are teaching in this course.

Podcast Home Page Design

We also have some free video resources on our site pointing our conversion optimized design patterns that help grow your email list. Optimizing your podcast homepage for conversion and email sign up will help you grow your podcast subscriber base.

How To Promote Your Podcast And Increase Your Listener Base

We also have a comprehensive guide on traditional non-SEO methods of growing your podcast audience, and it outlines multiple strategies, most of which happen outside the iTunes ecosystem. A good read for anyone whose eyes glaze over at the thought of SEO based marketing strategies.


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